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 | nikker
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2001-04-16 26785
Looking for advice... I'm an OUP(Older Urban Professional) looking to retire to 20 acres of woods in the Shenandoah. I want a tractor for hauling-400+lb boulders and wood, road grading-3/10mi straight down, and light land clearing. I have been looking at a Kubota L2600 and a JD4200, both with front loader and PTO grading blade. Price, hp, PTO hp, etc are all a wash - almost even. The only big differences are:1. JD's Loader breakout force is almost double that of the Kubota(2693lbs vs. 1653)2. The JD's Operator area is more user friendly than the Kubota's.3. JD's PTO clutch is Independent vs Kubota's clutch.4. My wife thinks the Kubota looks more like a tractor
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| Bird Senter
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2001-04-16 26787
Gosh, Nikker, sounds to me like you've already made up your mind; just have to convince the wife. LOL I own a Kubota, but the fact is they're both good tractors. You've obviously looked both over. Have you driven both? If not, you need to do that, and then buy the one you're most comfortable with. I don't think you can hardly go wrong either way. ....
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| Roger L.
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2001-04-16 26793
I believe that JD measures the breakout force at a different place. There is no standard, so each advertising dept. is free to interpret it as they will. The 3pt does have a standard way of measuring lift. You may well find - as others have - that in actual use similar loaders are so close to the same capacity that you can't tell any difference.
I think the operators platform makes a big difference. Especially with older bones (mine). Have you tried the New Holland? Luxury. And no, I don't own one.
Not understanding. Independent means "separately clutched". If it isn't a "transmission driven type" then it doesn't make any difference what they call it.
I happen to think that the way that a tractor looks is more important than most. To me, a tractor ought to have square corners. I am not a fan of the "swoopy" styling of the new JDs and NHs. But even I have to admit that they work better and are more comfortable.
The fact is that all of the new ones work exceptionally well. We are in a sort of "golden age" of compacts. You won't go wrong. And even if you could, the high resale would bail you out. ....
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| JonB
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2001-04-16 26798
Nikker, one thing you didn't mention is whether you're leaning toward hydro or gear transmission. IMO you should consider a hydro--it greatly simplifies running the tractor, letting you concentrate on safe driving and use of the implements. I think you'll find most users of this board who have used both hydro and gear prefer the hydro. Either way, I know you love it. JonB ....
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| judd
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2001-04-19 26945
Roger, there are standards on how loader capacities are calculated. It sounds like from some of your postings you are an engineer so you should be able to relate to the two organziations that establish these standards. The first is ASAE (American Society of Agricultural Engineers) and the second is SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers). Your North American manufacturers follow these standards.......I won't comment about non-North American manufacturers. ....
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| Roger L.
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2001-04-19 26955
Doggone it Judd, I will have to apologize for sounding like an engineer. A nasty habit and I thank you for telling me. As for the standards...Yes, I don't know those particular ones, but guess I'm not surprised that standards exist. I worded the original message poorly, but what I was trying to say was that not all manufacturers use the same system for calculating loader capacity. I don't know why. Maybe they choose not to follow the standard, or they interpret some part in a different way. There can be - and often are - about as many standards as there are engineering societies. ASTM, ASAE, and SAE being prominent US ones - as you say.
If Nikker checks back through the archives on this board, he will find a year or so ago that we were talking about JD and their innovative and liberal view of how to rate their bucket rotational force. I'd just classify all of this as "marketing wars"....just marketing kids having fun.... No harm in it if you don't believe it. If someone does believe those advertising figures then I'd guess they also believe one side or the other has some pretty dumb engineers - since designing a loader sure ain't rocket science. Back about 1980, Kubota and JD (then Yanmar) got their fingers slapped by SAE because of the way they were rating their 3pt lifts (at the hitch ends). Playing loose with the standards now and then is part of the advertising way....
Keep the saltshaker handy when reading those claims. ....
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